Deep Space Wine: A Star Trek Deep Space Nine Companion

Freudian Sips: BABEL (1.04)

• Lily Rossen & Cole Paulson • Season 1 • Episode 4

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Cole gets triggered by airborne viruses, quarantines and lockdowns, while Lily has apparently repressed the entire COVID pandemic. (Who else is jealous of her?) We also briefly dip into the Old Testament before tracing the evolution of the rom-com form, from Jane Austen to When Harry Met Sally to its pinnacle in modern storytelling (Odo and Quark). 

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Cole:

Would you be in favor of a Jadzia and Quark tryst?

Lily:

I just think she's on a sexual Safari and he is one kind of animal.

Cole:

Well put Hey, everyone, I'm Cole Paulson

Lily:

and I'm Lily Rossen.

Cole:

And welcome to Deep Space Wine. A podcast that attempts to recap and decode every episode of Deep Space Nine, the Forgotten stepchild of the garden tome plume. Fox wisdom to the wine. Call bottle wine. Oh, carpet sweep

Lily:

call. Are you okay?

Cole:

Door? Door bird.

Lily:

What? What is happening right now? Zoo?

Cole:

Nope.

Lily:

You're just reciting beautiful poetry and I don't understand what you're saying. Oh,

Cole:

thank you. I'm fine. I was I was just doing a bit because of the episode I was

Lily:

Wavelink. So, episode for

Cole:

Babel. Look not not the hottest episode that we've we've reviewed thus far. It's got some high points.

Lily:

It's got some low points.

Cole:

It's got some amazing moments. Yeah. I don't think I've seen this since the 90s. Because I don't remember it being good. I've

Lily:

100% slept through this episode.

Cole:

I think it suffers for two main reasons. One of which is not its fault, which is just that if you're watching it in 2023 It just feels like a really bad COVID episode. Right? I really like a lot of triggering COVID moments.

Lily:

Yeah, it's like, why is nobody wearing a mask? God dammit. Right.

Cole:

Where are the masks? Suspicious? Yeah, surely gonna come on. I think the whole quarantine room. Yeah, it actually got me thinking about if we'll ever want to consume sort of COVID esque stories. Yeah,

Lily:

I suppose I liked that the virus was so silly, obviously, until people started getting horrible fevers and like dying. Sure. But before that, it's like kind of a barrel of laughs

Cole:

It's silly, but with the COVID stuff and the quarantine. And the lock downs was just a little too real for me.

Lily:

Yeah, I was also thinking about how I've got a few friends who are speech pathologists. And like, is it okay to be joking about aphasia? Like, that's pretty serious. Yeah. Well, people with head injuries and strokes and we're just like, word salad.

Cole:

I mean, maybe you were laughing really? I was moved. Wow.

Lily:

Well, no, say who's laughing later? Yeah.

Cole:

I mean, my other main complaint is just that. I don't think there's any point to the aphasia. I don't think the episode was about aphasia. It was just about a virus. I mean, it could have been any virus what matters is people getting eliminated. Because the the actual plot was the people who weren't struck yet, trying to find a cure. So it could have just as well been COVID or anything. I was comparing it unfavorably to that episode of Buffy. Hush, yeah. Where everyone in town loses their ability to talk. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, the episode is all about finding different ways to communicate. And there's even this thesis about, sometimes words get in the way. And you can communicate more directly without them. I'm not sure Babel had the layers that that episode did

Lily:

and also is it called Babel because of how much horrible technobabble there is in this episode. It's like the entire episode is horrible. I hated it.

Cole:

Okay, and speaking of the title, I didn't go too deep on this episode, but I did do a bit of a dive on the title and the Tower of Babel. Okay, great. There was an oft heard quote that almost all quotes are either from Shakespeare or the Bible. Yes. And so last week, we had Shakespeare this week, of course, we have the Tower of Babel yet. Right? So the Tower of Babel story is an etiology, which is a term for a myth meant to explain the origin of something sort of like how the Tiger got its stripes. Yeah. Etc. Right. And interestingly, a very similar story, like the Tower of Babel is found all over the world, from Africa to Myanmar to the Americas, even linked to maybe the pyramids in Mexico, which is kind of cool. Yep. Okay, Lily, you went to Catholic school? I did. So, of course, the idea that humans build a tower to get up to the heavens. Can you recall why they were building the Tower?

Lily:

Was it to confess with God? Yeah, so

Cole:

there's actually I open up the Bible and it doesn't actually say, so I remember being taught in Sunday school, that mankind was arrogant and wanted to rise to the heavens to stand alongside God. The story also comes right after the flood with Noah and the ark. And so other people argue they're just trying to build a building tall enough to survive. Have another flood, basically prevention against the

Lily:

building a skyscraper. Yeah. But

Cole:

it's actually really interesting story Genesis, yes, this humans get together they say, Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens. And let us make a name for ourselves, otherwise we shall be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. And the Lord came down to see what they were doing. See the tower, which mortals had built. And the Lord said, Look, they are one people, and they have one language. And this is only the beginning of what they will do. Nothing that they propose to do now will be impossible for them. Come let us go down and confuse their language. I don't know why he says Come let us go like I don't know who he's talking to. You've got got some friends have? You just got to do that. But Come let us go and confuse their language. And of course, he scrambles other languages, so they can't communicate and they can't finish their tower. And they scattered all the corners of the earth. Sure. It reminded me a bit of the story of Prometheus, where Prometheus brings fire to humans and earns the wrath of the gods. But the difference is that Prometheus wasn't God Himself. And this is humans doing it for themselves. Right. Now, Star Trek taught me the word humanism teenager. No, thanks. Right. So humanism is of course, this idea to emphasize and even celebrate human agency, and potential and progress. Yep. So Lily, I would like to propose that Star Trek is Tower of Babel, the sequel? Ah, humanity Strikes Back,

Lily:

if you will. Yeah. Right. Because the return of the empathy, Return of the empaths. God it was right.

Cole:

I mean, it's a story about humans trying to unite and work together and get to the heavens. But God thwarts them the first time. But Star Trek, they're like, You know what, let's work together. Let's get up into the stars. Because as it says in the story, once we do that, there's nothing we can't do. Nothing will be impossible. And so Star Trek says that saying, hey, let's do this. Let's get to the stars. And it's nothing humankind. Yeah.

Lily:

And it's like, Sure, maybe along the way, there'll be a ton of paperwork. Maybe a pandemic. This is just what's gonna happen trigger

Cole:

warning. Yeah, indeed. Yeah. So that's Look, that's all I got the title. But that's all you got.

Lily:

Wow. Wow, call Can you try out next time? Can I can I launch into my argument? So you, you were into it? Look, I agree. It's not the strongest episode, but I do think it reveals some things. Yeah. Tell

Unknown:

me more. Well,

Lily:

I went a little bit Freudian on this fantastic, which I'm sure people have a basic understanding of Freud. But if you don't mind is very, very basic. I think I mean, I think most people's is pretty basic, as opposed

Cole:

to Yeah.

Lily:

All right. Let me get there.

Cole:

Take him seriously. Tell me more.

Lily:

So I guess I was looking at this in a sort of Freudian psychoanalysis and literary symbolism. But with a huge, yeah, with a huge caveat, which is that, as you were saying, Freud has been totally debunked and discredited as a science, because he was a quack who did a whole bunch of cocaine. So much. Okay, now I'm ready to listen to look, it was kind of a time when people were like, is cocaine the miracle cure? Yes, it is, for some things, because

Cole:

Coca Cola was around to when was when was Freud early 1900s. Yeah,

Lily:

to like the 30s round. And he kept going. Look, people have said is the 20th century, the 14th century, because of people's obsession with it. And to this

Cole:

day, yeah, I thought we've moved on to the Myers Briggs Personality Test, which has

Lily:

also been discredited. But yeah, so I actually found a really good article, New Yorker article called Why Freud survives by Lewis Minaj. I don't know if that's how you pronounce it. So this was published on August 21 2017, if anyone's interested, but yeah, in it, he talks about how Freud fudged data, he made unsubstantial claims he took credit for other people's ideas, and sometimes he lied. And in 1975, the Nobel Prize winning medical biologist Peter Medawar, called psychoanalytic theory, the most stupendous intellectual confidence trick of the 20th century. But people were really into it. And the main theories of psychoanalysis is basically about how we have conscious and unconscious desires. So that's sort of where I'm going with this. I'm going to sidestep the psychosexual stages, which are all batshit crazy. And, um, look, maybe the Oedipus complex castration anxiety, and definitely not penis envy is going to come in. But the thing with Freud is that it's been taken up with enthusiasm by literary criticism, and I think that's more where I wanted to go with it. So instead of a focus on the interpretation of dreams, it'll be More of the unconscious symbolism of the aphasia. Whoa, right? You're bringing it this it was too tempting. When I say I'll be doing it, I will open the floor to call and make him do it. That's revealing his unconscious desires.

Cole:

Okay, so it's just become one big experiment. It's

Lily:

just like looking inside the Lord. Should I tell you a little bit about the wine? Oh, no, I haven't even cracked open the wine. Yeah, well, okay, so in keeping with your sort of broad theme of linking Star Trek to what we're talking about, rather than just the episode itself, yes, broadly linking things is what I'm trying to say. I picked one called esoterica. And for those who don't know, maybe call can explain the meaning of the word esoteric.

Cole:

Well, it's a it's a bit of an esoteric term.

Lily:

Isn't maybe what you describe this podcast as? I mean, I was listening to the last episode, and I was like, Oh, shit, esoteric.

Cole:

Because we're talking about a TV show from 30 years ago by linking it to a play that was written 400 years ago that is esoteric.

Lily:

It's pretty esoteric art. And I suppose yeah, look, if you want to go real basic on it. This episode, is people talking about things that people don't understand. Right. Love it. Thanks. You did it. Great. Yeah. So the wine. It's pretty cool. It's actually what you call a skin contact wine. It's also called an orange wine. Yes. Or an amber wine. And that's one of one of the first ones we ever had together. is orange

Cole:

and Amber the same thing? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I remember when I had my first orange wine with you. Yeah. And you offered it to me? And I said, No, thank you. I don't like white wine. And created huge

Lily:

bird moment. Oh, my friendship over.

Cole:

Is a room full of wine aficionados. Yeah, the room is a room full of silence.

Lily:

I told you is a room full of sums to

Cole:

do you didn't tell me they're all gonna be rude about me not knowing what orange wine is? Well,

Lily:

now you know what some aliens are like, less than lead. And I've never forgotten. Anyway, so it's a lovely orange wine. And it's from Unicode. Zelo Unicode Zelo. And it's from Riverland and clear Valley, clear Valley, South Australia. The soil type is ancient sounding limestone soils, and I've got some notes from the winemaker. And it's it's in pretty good copy. So I'm going to read the whole thing please. Okay. Crafting a pinpoint precise, squeaky clean wine is one of the most boring things we could possibly think of. We prefer embracing your inner creative and searching for more radical experiences. This has become one of our most cult followed wines since we began. It's not exactly white wine or red many caught Amber wine but we just call it esoterica. We make no editions of any kind save for sofa when we bottle the wine. There is no fining or filtration involved with the wine allowed to clarify by gravity alone, resulting in a slight haze and sediment. This is one of the most enjoyable wines to craft as there was no preconceived idea of what it must taste like. The chief driver is pure drinkability a scrumptious quality mouthwatering acidity and say hello tannins. It's a bohemian town's

Unknown:

high tannins.

Lily:

And the variety is crazy. It's a mix of turbo vets Jimena. Moscato giallo, Greco Chagny holy, so it's going to be wild. It's going to be esoteric.

Cole:

I mean, you had me back when you said it was a cult following much like chess. Yeah,

Lily:

much like to sign I'm trying here. I love it, too. We drink it. Please. Can we always get to this point? I'm just gonna

Cole:

thank you. Cheers. Cheers.

Lily:

Beautiful. Oh, hello, Tannen.

Cole:

Oh my gosh. Hello, Tana. That's so good.

Lily:

It's good, huh? Yeah. Have you heard this before?

Cole:

I think so. I never forget. It's got a cult like following. Yeah, remind me what makes it an orange wine.

Lily:

So it's an orange wine when it's white grapes, but with the skins left on. Okay, so that's sort of what gives it the tannin quality as well. Yeah. changes the

Cole:

color. Love it. Yeah. More than just a fad. Orange wine.

Lily:

Yeah, look, I think it's it's been done for a while before it was a fad. So we'll see. We'll see where it goes. decades before I'd heard of it. I think like as an ancient practice as well. Okay. Yeah. Like leave the skins on. Why not? Make

Cole:

first place? What do you do?

Lily:

Make a little free juice that makes you feel good? And then anxious later?

Cole:

The earliest known form of writing. Do you know what it was? Tell me? It's like a recipe for beer.

Lily:

Yeah, sure. Yeah, I believe it right. Yeah, that was gonna be a joke about a prostitute but I'm glad you didn't go there.

Cole:

Nope. Just alcohol. Yeah, talking about sex later.

Lily:

But we won't because this is Star Trek. But will we? Because of Freud,

Cole:

maybe I'll talk about sex without meaning to.

Lily:

Yeah, some Freudian slips. I have to come clean. I did plan that one. Thank you. Great work. Thanks. Alright, shall we actually tee this up?

Cole:

Oh, let's do it. So excited. Here we go.

Lily:

A Buffy demon is banging on the window of an airlock. And O'Brien tells him to save his energy. And his sleeves already rolled up. Yeah, already how to work so he's working hard.

Cole:

By the way. Did you catch the very first shot is some people trapped in an airlock panicking. Yeah, a bit prescient, don't you think?

Lily:

Oh, we went there. So Captain J. Hill has been waiting two days for O'Brien to fix his antimatter Flocon better. Come on O'Brien. Captain J. Hill has some amazing statement facial hair, and his unimpressed with their brand excuses.

Cole:

And I wrote that he has all the charisma of an Ugg boot.

Lily:

Oh, yeah. And he kind of looks like one. Yeah, a bit of a sad sack. He has a shipment of 1010 says Shia. So am I saying that right? I have no idea. What is it? I don't know, something that's going to spoil and it needs to be delivered before it spoils. O'Brien does not have good customer service skills and he yells at the guy that the best you can do is by the end of the day, to which Captain G Hill says your best Mr. O'Brien hardly seems good enough. So having strong facial hair and sick burns. That's just how we do as a little advert. And then that's comes O'Brien has a problem at the lab. And O'Brien is already fed up with this day. He has had enough. But he has to keep going. And he's got a little toolbox briefcase, and I'm wondering if this is the first time we've seen it. But I love it. Like is his accessory has an accessory great form and function. Yeah, I feel like the O'Brien

Cole:

action figure would come with his little toolkit. So

Lily:

DAX has got some whirring noises happening in the lab. O'Brien shorts out the lights and then wisecracks anything else I can do for you. And DAX loves it because she's in a good mood this episode. Oh is is. Meanwhile Kira is mad about the navigational computer glitching which hasn't worked reliably for three days. O'Brien emerges from under the floor and seems to have fixed it. He is all tuckered out. Kira says he could use some sleep. But that's not gonna happen anytime soon. Or is it? And then Oh no. Cisco has coffee isn't up to scratch any cheese out O'Brien for not fixing the replicators

Cole:

the way he reacts to the horrible coffee? Yeah. Shakespearean trained actor, right. Yeah. It's like a cat who's just had a hairball? Yeah, it's

Lily:

like a spit up. Yeah. Yeah. squawks Yeah, it's great. And just yells at O'Brien. And then O'Brien is really shitty and sarcastic. And Cisco is all like, what did I say? What did I

Cole:

do? Yeah, this opening really is the beginning of the passion of the O'Brien right? If there's anything that's constant in the universe, it's taxes, death and O'Brien suffering

Lily:

Yeah, and being really ungrateful. So now he's like underneath some glowy wires. And O'Brien does some mean impressions of all the crew and they were asking for it. Because they were being so rude. They deserve it. Yeah. And then he wishes that he was somewhere without people because no people no complaints, and he crawls out from under the replicator it glitches he tests it with his probe thermometer. Hot coffee, black double sweet, which I assume is Cisco's order. I thought it was his right okay. Oh, actually. Yeah, tell me actually.

Cole:

Oh, Brian's Coffee order comes back in season two, and it is a pivotal plot points in a season two episode and you

Lily:

heard it here first two sugars. So the coffee seems to be up to scratch. But there is some sinister music and a close up on a weird bit of gear inside the replicator suggesting or the way he's opening credits?

Cole:

Oh, like literally the cliffhanger to the trailer is there's some technology on top of some other technology. Oh, that

Lily:

is one scary looking antenna. Gottschee

Cole:

scary looking Wi Fi router. That's when you know, it's just gonna be a winner of an episode and we got some technology.

Lily:

Yeah, I knew we're in for some fun. Yeah,

Cole:

I read a review. Someone said they wished this episode had just been O'Brien going around fixing stuff for 40 minutes. I mean, that might have actually been more fun. That was pretty fun. You love to go along for the ride with

Lily:

him. You do and he is sarcastic and bitter and fun.

Unknown:

I love that.

Lily:

I do love when people complain about things. So then we're at quarks, and it's our favorite Best Friends club. Oh, yeah. Odo is razzing Quark because the bar is empty. For three days. It's been like this. And it is all like you might close down and it's very yuck yuck. Which is The classic exchange, the subtext of which is you like having me around. Okay. You

Cole:

ready for some intertextuality. Odo and Quark get a lot of time in this episode. And I'm convinced that it has all the beats of a rom com. Yes, it does, right? Yes. So, it starts out the classic couple who doesn't like each other. It's your Harry and Sally. It's your Liz Bennett and Darcy. It's your, like, Benedick and Beatrice. Yeah, right. Yeah. So it starts out with them. I don't like it. Well, I don't like you. But then yeah, Otto comes to quirks rescue. Turns out he actually might care. It's like the thing

Lily:

about Frankie and shapeshifters is they can never be friends. Because one of them always wants to sleep with you. I was trying to do it When Harry Met Sally, but I know you don't like you're looking for the joke. Thrown

Cole:

in Much Ado About Nothing reference out and be able to go

Lily:

out. Tried to not dumb it down for you. So then there's some choline stew, which isn't up to scratch. Spiky chin guy is really mad about it. And he forces quite to eat it. Yeah,

Cole:

lots of disgruntled Buffy demons and a disgruntled quiet

Lily:

spits it out. And the guy is like trying to make clock eight more. But his best buddy odo moves spec it in alarm. And then he says, Well, another satisfied customer. Ooh, yeah, maybe it's more like a sitcom. Oh,

Cole:

I mean, what he's actually saying is like, maybe I care. It's there be one. Yeah.

Lily:

So it turns out Collins do you no good because replicators acting up. And just quickly as a little digression. I would like Cole to tell everyone about what his job is my job and how it forecasts that in the future. My job won't exist.

Cole:

Think you were hinting at my work doing some sustainability advising? Sure, yeah. And helping businesses reduce their emissions and be a be future fit to eliminate waste and

Lily:

carbon footprints like chefs don't replace Nestle with cafes called the replimat. Thanks, call bright. So odo drops a bomb that the replicators on the command level are working, and then raises him some more about how there's no telling how long O'Brien will take to fix quarks. And this gets quarks criminal mind working and he does some tube switching to gain access to command level schematics. Are you dastardly quack trying to feed your patrons. What a low down dirty dog just trying to have a hospitality venue that runs. You are a criminal mastermind, but

Cole:

also his entire restaurant is just replicating stuff. And if there's replicators and all the quarters, why do you need to go to a restaurant

Lily:

for the sexy underboob and gambling?

Cole:

Okay, I forgot the underboob. I take my question back. Yeah. All right. Sorry.

Lily:

He's a legitimate businessman. Just trying to make it work,

Unknown:

just trying to get by.

Lily:

Meanwhile, back on the command center, O'Brien gets a gold star from Cisco for his replicated coffee. But what's this the chief has a temperature. Cisco sends his regards to Keiko and says that Jake is very fond of her O'Brien replies she's flower units about the lad herself. What O'Brien realizes that what he says doesn't make any sense but passes it off but it looks confused.

Cole:

Something is a mess.

Lily:

She is flower units about the lab. Does O'Brien think of everything in units and so begins and so it makes sense. On the promenade DAX explains to Kira that she enjoys being overlooked. She'd forgotten what it's like to be a woman. Because she hasn't been one for 80 years. Grace was this episode written by a man probably.

Cole:

Okay, I wish we could just talk about this scene for the whole podcast. I mean, this is third wave feminism versus second wave feminism, discussion of the male gaze, but it's just a passing comment.

Lily:

I guess it's just, it's hard in the wake of the episode where beshear is sort of monstering her and she's trying to get rid of him. So yeah, I guess I find it find it difficult to hold these two things in nuanced way. I also don't like being ogled so unless it's by you call.

Cole:

Our listeners can't tell, but I'm ogling you right now. Yeah.

Lily:

Thanks. Feels good.

Cole:

Yeah, I was just glad to see a spark of the Jadzia we all know and love.

Lily:

Oh, yeah. In this episode. Yeah. Yeah. So quick sees DAX and Kira and invites them to a little party. And Kira is like, what's all this? You cheat your 1,000th customer? And it's told in the tone of a joke, I guess. And she's very bad at jokes, and quite notices this and he says, he says the Jordans don't have a sense of humor. And then Kara tries to prove them all wrong with some terrible gags throughout this whole episode. And it's very upsetting. And but yeah, so it's a celebration of the repair of the bars replicator, and he offers them some double whipped identity and spice pudding. Because nothing is sexier than putting cake but wet and steamed. Don't make Pudding. Pudding is fine, but it it ain't sexy. like pudding is like what your grandma makes you on a winter night to like, fatten you up. Like you having the wrong kind of pudding. Oh, are you thinking of like American pudding, which is like, your good T custody? Yeah,

Cole:

jiggles. Okay, yeah, Americans do pudding, right?

Lily:

Yeah, you call that pudding. But that's not putting to me pudding. It's like, the British kind of like steamed. It

Cole:

seems that we have here is a failure to speak the same language. Okay, just with this episode is

Lily:

right. How do we even make this podcast work?

Cole:

How are we gonna get through this?

Lily:

Yeah, maybe what we have in common is more than our differences.

Cole:

Let's find out. Let's see how this episode ends. Anyway,

Lily:

Kyra declines the pudding but DAX gives a naughty little smile and enters and Clark is thrilled. And then my question is do you think they smashed during the series? Well,

Cole:

well, you just took that from zero to 100 the jazzy uncork? Yeah, I think cork is still left wanting by the end of this series. No.

Lily:

I think that sort of in the middle seasons. There's an implication that they've fooled around. Fascinating.

Cole:

Yeah, I'm gonna have keep an eye out for that. Yeah. I wouldn't put a sister Yeah.

Lily:

She is an open minded person.

Cole:

Girls down to clown Yeah. Would you be in favor of a Jadzia and cork triste?

Lily:

I just think she's on a sexual Safari. And he is one kind of animal

Cole:

well put

Lily:

back it up, O'Brien is looking rough. And Kira mentions her concern and teases O'Brien by pretending that number three turbolift has broken down again. lol O'Brien looks so mad then she says she's joking because when she jokes she has to tell people she's joking. Classic here and then O'Brien says major Lux true pepper. I assuming joking is bad spicy.

Cole:

Joking is bad. Spicy white. Lots

Lily:

true pepper. Thank you.

Unknown:

Oh, it's gonna be a long episode.

Lily:

This is just because this episode has nothing. We just

Cole:

have to wrap my head around it. Okay,

Lily:

I'm ready to be ready for all of the websites. My

Cole:

research told me that the screenwriter for this was very careful with his drafting of the words. His focus was on making sure they had a rhythm or an iambic pentameter. Yeah, so Shakespeare in Star Trek Eat your heart out and this is it right here I

Lily:

feel you unnamed writer. So yeah, this begins my journey of analyzing the different meanings behind everyone's word salad. He says let birds go further loose. Maybe he feels trapped. Shout easy play. He's in trouble. He's in trouble round the turbulent quick and I feel like this is just him trying to say something about the turbo lifts because they're always on his mind. Yep, yep. Curious as he's not making any sense. He looks even more bemused than usual. Curious shakes her head and called try sound reset gleaming which I think is all about fixing things again and dinner to bug which match No. You tell me Well

Cole:

dinner to bug sounds like every dinner he has with Keiko.

Lily:

They miserable. Start to back away curious says chief wait. O'Brien says when and then he runs to the table he left iconic. We cut to beshear doing some neural scanning all of our brains brain functions within normal parameters. Beshear is perturbed and calls over the nurse call. Do you have anything to say about this news? Oh,

Cole:

she is famously also known as Kelly's mother on 902. She is the visual nurse and she's Kelly's mom in Beverly Hills. She

Lily:

really made it in the 90s

Cole:

She took the money when she could get it. Yeah, I'm happy for her. What are your thoughts on her sort of mustard yellow and purple nursing outfit? I like

Lily:

it. And is that what all the nurses were? Yeah, I like it.

Cole:

It's a really bold like the command is red security is beige. And then medical is bright yellow and purple. Yeah,

Lily:

maybe it's to like cover all the like, gross bodily functions that happen.

Cole:

So like all the pus and phlegm and blood gets on the purple mustard tunic. Yeah. And yeah, sort of like like, is that flam or just a badly designed fan? It's

Lily:

both Yeah, yeah. So they pull up our brains history. But then O'Brien quickly jumps down on his iPad. Beautiful palm.

Cole:

Okay, and I actually do think I have a theory. Yes. I think this is not a result of aphasia, but he was actually just handing Bashir his collection of really poorly written war fiction.

Lily:

Oh, can I read you the thing in its entirety? Excuse me? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Flame, the dark to salt way link Complete strike limits victory. Frosted wake simple hesitation

Cole:

snaps, right. Powerful, gorgeous,

Lily:

gorgeous. But yeah, he can't decipher it, but I believe you have. It's his war fanfics

Cole:

Well, I think it's his war fanfiction guys still working through the psychological scars of the Kardashian war. Complete strike. Limits victory. Simple hesitation. Flame the dark true.

Lily:

Well, either way, I love it. And then, so she can't work this out. And then he yells at him way link, which is so engineering. And it's also coincidentally my new favorite catchphrase.

Cole:

What does it mean?

Lily:

I don't know, way link it together, you dummies. So that's the context in which I'll be using it. So

Cole:

next time you have a deep thought, and I just don't understand where you going. I'm

Lily:

going to encourage you by yelling play link. Because she explains to Kira that it's some kind of aphasia, the aural and visual stimuli incorrectly processed by the brain. So a brain is incapable of expressing himself or understanding others. And then the scene finishes with O'Brien's refrain of his beautiful poem. Simple hesitation. Simple

Cole:

hesitation. Frosted wake. Yeah, but I'm a sucker for beautiful spoken word. Yeah,

Lily:

I haven't been tammana I felt it right. Yeah, yeah. All right. I mean, that's the

Cole:

only way to get through this is to keep drinking this wine. What

Lily:

are you doing about having the? Jeric go So following on from this, Bashir has briefed Cisco, who has some questions. Dax correctly asked whether it isn't usually associated with head trauma way link guys. back straightaway, but minutes of this in his history, and also there's no medical precedent for what's happening. And she has no theories to which Cisco says find one.

Cole:

He actually says, find one find one things.

Lily:

Yeah, sorry. Well, Miss the intonation on that one. Cisco tells DAX to take over O'Brien's duties. But DAX has come over all sweaty and maybe about to spout some poetry. Get ready everyone fully assembled regal control whether she and then everyone stares at each other. Like they're in a telenovela. It's great, it's great see? Me immediately her word salad has a different flavor to O'Brien. What does it mean? Foolish

Cole:

assembled regal control whether she's a person who normally likes to be in control and she feels foolish without her speaking faculties. Assembled

Lily:

Regal is the

Cole:

the senior status. Yeah, control

Lily:

whether she's also Yeah, trying to work out what's happening. But yet it has a nice flow and soft consonants as opposed to brands, which is sort of a little bit sharper. This is a little better this aphasia thing she has Bashir is then developing a theory there is no such thing as spontaneous development of aphasia, so it must be a disease. And then he finds a little virus and it looks like little broccoli. That's a really funny bit where they talk about looking at a tricorder and working out what that is based on visual stimuli. And then Cisco says, so I'd see a tricorder and say something ridiculous like window. That's ridiculous Cisco, Cisco. But then, are the NASS brings in more a phasic patients? And there's a random male Ensign who yells away tunnel back garden? So obviously he's afraid of women's bathing suit. Does he want to like maybe have sex with his mother and a way tunnel back the garden? Crops Yeah, get your mind out of the gutter and sin. serious virus going around? I feel your face. It's like so fed up with me already.

Cole:

Oh, my God, am I gonna get through it?

Lily:

I'm having the time of my life. But yeah, so the station is put under emergency quarantine. Meanwhile, odo is checking out quarks, which is booming. All the shops and businesses have been closed until further notice. But quiet claims that he is an essential part of the station operations therefore he needs to stay open and that everyone is on edge. So they need a harmless diversion. Like some underboob and holiday sweets and gambling.

Cole:

I mean, for me, this just triggered the debate about who is an essential worker. Right. Yeah,

Lily:

she Yeah, it's Like when I was too busy loving them bursting. Does this remind me of when I was working in a restaurant and got completely shut down? Nobody had a job to fire all this stuff. And then I blocked it out. See?

Cole:

Yeah, this shoveling up some stuff that we've carried. Yeah, I'm sorry to remind you. That's where I went.

Lily:

Don't worry, I'll forget it after this glass of aphasia. But the spiky chin dude is very pleased with his Kali Institute, which he was not pleased with before. And then Quark claims that fortunately, ROM fix the replicators and odo as suspicious, any says yes, very fortunate also, in a kind of telenovela kind of way.

Cole:

Yeah, it's a lot of Yes, tele novella, subset doesn't go too deep, but it's not hard hitting sci fi.

Lily:

It's kind of these are the days of your lives. Space Stations. Just me the virus rip and then pentameter. Yeah, totally. Cisco and Jake get a scene. Jake, as always, is in a silly onesie, which is moss and dark green. Cisco is irate that Jake is late because he was at NOGs. Jake is worried about the quarantine Cisco says it's only a precaution. And then Captain jeho pops up. And he is like a stinky Ogbu rearing its ugly head. But he says that he doesn't share Cisco's confidence. And Cisco looks so done with him.

Cole:

Well, he's the classic quarantine breaker. Yeah. Right. And who is actually really paranoid and afraid of getting sick. So he breaks the rules and ruins it for everyone. Again, triggering episode four.

Lily:

Yeah. You can understand where he's coming from in a way. Oh, definitely.

Cole:

Yeah, that's just it. It's probably stirs some of the feelings I had when I was wondering if I should break quarantine to just go to the beach during lockdown. Right? It's all too real Lily.

Lily:

Yeah, okay.

Cole:

Sorry. This is just entertainment. It's funny. To tell a novella. It's fine.

Lily:

I'm fine laugh at the aphasia. So he requests permission to leave the station requested night, but his whole cargo will be ruined, which sucks for him. But then Cisco sends him on his way. And I've written to express his fear of a pandemic. Same bro, Sam. But no one can leave until there is a cure. So we're on to another amazing scene. Kwok is sneaking around with a funky looking trolley.

Cole:

I do love this scene. Yeah.

Lily:

He's in the commander's quarters. And he's replicating things one at a time. One cocktail at a time. seems to make sense. Any Oscar for ranky sedessa, which sounds like a name for cocaine. And it looks pink and fun. But wait, the trolley is actually Oh, no. Who would have ever known that? That could be a thing that happens in Star Trek. Yeah, it

Cole:

turns out he can't do noses but he can do like wheels and axles. Yeah, very dubious. But well done. Oh, you got me. You fooled me. Yeah.

Lily:

And it's funny because Kwok Bailey reacts except to say, I thought the front wheels were sticking a bit, which is very low. I loved that. Yeah, so good. And Otto says that what he's doing is a crime and he could have just asked, but there is an old Frankie saying, Never asked when you can take and how did odo figure it out? You claim from fixed your replicators roms an idiot he couldn't fix a straw if it was bent.

Cole:

Great. Love it. See that's the ROM we all know and love and

Lily:

that's the witty repartee we all know and love.

Cole:

Quark see photos just inventing excuses to follow cork around.

Lily:

It's like it's almost like old school rom coms. It's like the apartment or something. Yes, yeah, with a dark flavor to it.

Cole:

It's also funny that this whole joke is about her mom's an idiot engineer. Because we all think data is easy. All

Lily:

we know of him at this point is that he was really mean to

Cole:

Keiko, these characters they all go on journeys. They do have a particularly rom

Lily:

he he makes an about face ROM. Meanwhile, Bashir is explaining to Cisco and Kira that the virus is being ingested Jack use the replimat. Cisco says to shut down the replicators to maybe limit the contamination and then odo pops up to explain what Kwok has been doing. Beshear freaks out and works out that the virus is now present in the air. This is triggering. Now the whole station is infected. Then we're on Cisco station log and nearly 60% of DS nine have the evasion. Kira is checking out the inside of the replicator and find some sneaky Tamagotchi technology finds that Wi Fi router does. Kira hypothesizes that it's Kardashian sabotage, but she asked him to go down to the infirmary because Jake is sick, poor Jayco and Jake's poetry is terrible. Wait This one I actually liked left became better control entire hope it's a haiku

Cole:

about today's political climate. Left become better control entire hope.

Lily:

Yeah, I just feel like you're giving a lot of credence to Jake you

Cole:

parsed O'Brien and Jadzia. And then you have a day it's Jake. You didn't even give him a chance.

Lily:

All right, boo.

Cole:

I just hate the messenger.

Lily:

Yeah, the left should become better. Vichy has converted some rooms into a hospital wide.

Cole:

I do find it's really silly that their solution is to just get all the patients together even though they're only symptoms they they have trouble communicating. So let's just pile them in a room and force them to just lie down because what else are they gonna do? There's

Lily:

nothing else they can do. I guess it was like the beginning of the pandemic. Yeah. Kwok is speaking some Pidgin aphasia English trying to get money off someone which is pretty funny. Yeah, like, um, and he says that the Frank immune system is very strong, which we'll find out that maybe it is you gold. Oh, me. Yeah. Back to Beshear and Cisco. The virus is synthetic, but it's not Kardashian in nature, the visions made it as a terrorist plot.

Cole:

And then we realized that this is another visual or an episode like the entire first. This is the third episode in a row where the antagonist is visual. And yeah, is not compelling. Look,

Lily:

I think this is why I struggled with this series to begin with, because it was a lot of a difference. Totally fair. Yeah. Then were with Kira, odo and Cisco, where they're talking about how the technology is from 18 years ago when the station was built. And odo points out that this was before he was stationed security, like on the defensive. He's very proud isn't he would not have let that Tamagotchi I

Cole:

would not let someone put a Tamagotchi in my replica

Lily:

Bay. No way Jose, who created it Kira has to find out and they hope that the person who created it remembers the antidote assuming that they had the made one

Cole:

Yeah, little nod to the chaos of war. We don't always plan plan the antidotes to our chemical warfare bombs do it yeah,

Lily:

I mean, we should. Meanwhile, curio is questioning and visual and underground member who points to someone called decon. elec who is in a Kardashian prison as of nine years. Joker

Cole:

up to here. I love it.

Lily:

Oh, do I? It's

Cole:

it's not fashion forward a bit hectic. It's a little busy.

Lily:

Not in the good way either. No. And then Kira says, Think galas this is important, which is really rude. Back in February with acting back in the infirmary with Jake, he says ra lingo when life and admittedly this is a nice little poem about death. I

Cole:

mean, Kelly's mom from 902 and I was like, what is it Lassie?

Lily:

Brian fallen down the world has any has. And DAX says other support strong courage.

Cole:

Open way long. Yeah.

Lily:

And then yeah, Jake says Openweight long. And I had him and then this comes to beshear because it's an emergency.

Cole:

So even when Jake is speaking absolute gibberish, he can't do anything right.

Lily:

I mean,

Cole:

I've never agree is terrible. This is the first time you've voiced your complete a Stanford Jake's exit. All right. You suggested it was wooden in the pilot. Are you comfortable? Just like completely criticizing a 10 year old like this?

Lily:

So comfortable? Okay, just checking.

Cole:

I mean, the dudes like 50 Now it's fine. Yeah.

Lily:

Come at me, bro.

Cole:

Please. I really liked the show. He has he has a competing Diaz nine podcast competing. Give us time.

Lily:

Yeah. All right.

Cole:

We'll see. You don't want to make an enemy of them.

Lily:

No, you're right. I apologize. That was great, saying and I love your poetry. I'm Sharon Sisco are discussing O'Brien who's not responding to treatment. They're unable to lower his fever. Unless there's a cure. He'll be dead in 12 hours.

Cole:

Yeah, because the Aphasia wasn't interesting enough so they just have to say oh, and people are gonna die soon. Yeah. You

Lily:

talk some nonsense and then you die. Isn't that

Cole:

life? Tomorrow and tomorrow? Yeah, and open way long. Row linger when life supports rolling when life strong courage.

Lily:

I like rolling go in life. It makes me feel weird. Um, and then Cisco is Oh, have you made any progress, which he hasn't. And Kira better get her shit together and find out what's going on.

Cole:

You've got 12 hours before people start dying major.

Lily:

Also beshear mentions that the virus is a work of genius.

Cole:

Anyway, they're not wrong. They're not

Lily:

but it is sort of a bizarre way to talk about chemical warfare. Your future best friend is about to die and you're like this guy's genius and he wishes he could meet him. Maybe

Cole:

it's just really tactless. Like maybe we're all thinking it but you don't to say

Lily:

in beshear too soon, too soon. So yeah, Kira is trying to find some files and she's hunting down this decon elec, who was a geneticist and former member of the Higa meta sect of the bizarre in underground which you've never heard of before, and I don't care. But he was killed while attempting escape, which is unfortunate. Kira searches for the death certificate, which was witnessed by Semak Ren who that is deacons medical assistant,

Cole:

it's just more bizarre and it's a scene about bitcoins knowing other versions and synchrotrons dying.

Lily:

I'm surprised you don't love this There's a lot of Kira Kira Kira Kira,

Cole:

every setback she has in her search for this virus creator. She slams her body in the bulkhead because you so frustrated. Yeah. It's a lot of season one and not acting

Lily:

up but don't worry, call up. See she comes around.

Cole:

You'll come around, and then back

Lily:

at clocks clock is playing Dabo alone. And I know pops by for a quick little chat, which is really cute.

Cole:

Okay, so this whole scene I mean, there's so much beautiful subtext right. So if I may, so cork suggests they play Davao. And odo admits that he's a little nervous about it. And this is all sexual subtext. Quark said, Is it your reputation you're worried about? Odo says the truth is, I've never played Davao, when Quark says Let me teach you it's simple.

Lily:

He's like, you've sat here for all these years and you don't even know how to gamble.

Cole:

Right? Exactly. Let me teach you it's simple. I'd be happy to show them to you. But then it's too much for Otoni pulls back

Lily:

another time. Yep. says go needs him in ops. So what did he come to works for them?

Cole:

I mean, as it says, I've got my eyes on your court. I mean, that's that's actual text. It's all there. You've really got me this whole thing like every character dynamic sexual tension. You've infected my mind and I can't not see it now. Yeah.

Lily:

laka broccoli virus.

Cole:

Lauren phaser Ren. Complete strike sought way link.

Lily:

And then the scene ends and exclaims,

Cole:

I thought it was sort of sad like Tabo

Lily:

Yeah. Oh, you're right. But then beshear is still trying to find some answers. And he says computer replay morning. What? Glass lunch judge I've been to let it

Cole:

glass lunch judge have been

Lily:

to let it it sounds like like a drama warm up. Lunch judge I've been to let it constant continents. Yeah. Lack of imagination. Rubbish. Yeah. But then he does have a beautiful palm when he tries to look at the evidence. Which is dismount, member print. Oh my excuse color away. Right. 49 see, contact mine straighten, unsaid negligent. Gold window. hinder squad performance, then loud Bush it went gray relish equal hook goal rope? Honeymoon dolphin, Sky drum.

Cole:

I think the finale is best honeymoon. Dolphin sky drum. I

Lily:

like dismount member Wow Kinder squad performance. Loud bush. It went gray

Cole:

sounds like really noisy sex.

Lily:

I feel like maybe that's what sex was beshear is we'd have to ask Gary. All right, dismount member

Cole:

sky drum dolphin, excuse color away. Yes.

Lily:

There's a lot to unpack there. So

Cole:

a lot or nothing.

Lily:

You just curious still trying to find Dr. Sir Makran. He's serving as the chief administrator of the Iluvien medical complex curio Coliseum and immediately accuses him of helping deco Alec because she's a consummate diplomat and accuses him of planting the feet of Iris 18 years ago. And he hangs up but Kira is triumphant. Why

Cole:

this scenic, she really annoyed me. I mean, she somehow was just convinced that this guy can help her with the cure. Ah, I mean, she's she's good with hunches. She's got a hunch,

Lily:

she knows how to smell a rat.

Cole:

I mean, lots of building tension, as she's just basically going through the bizarre and white and yellow pages to try to find these guys. So

Lily:

then, meanwhile, odo is explaining to Cisco, that he's only a security officer, albeit a very good one, but he can't run station operations. But he's all that Cisco has gotten because everyone's been taken down by feature. QA reports that she has found the scientist and Cisco stands over Kira and rages around intimidate her and says he can't allow her to break quarantine. It's kind of a scary scene. Yeah,

Cole:

well, but it's also a really dumb idea. I'm curious part. And odo says, oh, Cisco, you better let her go. She's always got. No, there's an entire planet. Like there's no reason they can't just ask some people. They're not stranded in the middle of nowhere is

Lily:

everyone just like luck? Do you have your own thing and I will not get involved

Cole:

so that Cisco gives care permission to fly off in the runabout with the complete likelihood that eventually this virus is going to strike her and she's not even going to be able to fly it We're on about as a horrible plan. Yeah,

Lily:

terrible. Then we just get a little scene between Jake and Cisco. And I've only written about it because I know you find that very touching call.

Cole:

No, not at all. The writers of this episode just kept mentioning how proud they were of the Cisco, Jake moments. And I was like, Oh, great. You have a scene with a father and son, congratulations. And he like,

Lily:

kisses him on the head. And that's a big deal in the 90s I guess. Yeah,

Cole:

I was I was underwhelmed.

Lily:

Then autos and ops and the hill is causing a ruckus.

Cole:

So I actually find it really adorable. Odo does this thing when he's in over his head, like jerking his head around. Yeah, looking sort of panicking. And it's really adorable. And I don't know if it's an intentional choice on Rene over jeans behalf.

Lily:

Sure. Speaking of alienating,

Cole:

sorry, sorry. I mean, it makes them really endearing and classic rom com like you think he's this gruff tough guy, but Darcy is a little teddy bear inside was

Lily:

like a fish out of water. Oh, adorable. Shucks,

Cole:

I do love panic, dodo, there's just something very endearing.

Lily:

Yeah. So yeah, there's a whole thing where like J Hill is trying to leave. They don't want him to leave, obviously, because he's probably infected. And then there's like these mooring clamps that aren't going to be released and a negative the ship apart, but Yeah, he'll went here a bar of it. And there's too much stress on the mooring clamps and they aren't retracting. And where's O'Brien to fix this? He's in a coma to heal does some good Star Trek, shaky turbulence acting, and his ship is going to explode. Don't Don't take the docking bay with it. And this is probably what people do when they're afraid as we were discussing. Some people people broke

Cole:

quarantine and did really dumb stuff during COVID. This is true to life friends, they didn't almost rip off half of the docking ring. But it's a metaphor.

Lily:

Yeah. It's a metaphor. A symbol is about COVID

Cole:

Locked. Episode was prescient. I really liked that Word Press. Yes, yes. Yeah.

Lily:

Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it didn't know. But it foreshadowed some things. And then Kira is circling around basil. And she does little switch room beams, Dr. Sam ACA board, and he's in a horrible booklet, gray suit. Just terrible. And he's livid about this. So they're not getting a response for him to heal, and the ship is on fire. But Cisco is getting aphasia.

Cole:

Wait, that's actually my favorite line of the whole episode, where they cut to Joe Hills ship and it's just a sea of flames and odos like, his fire control systems don't appear to be working.

Lily:

Class. Oh, yeah. And then another prescient thing that happens is Cisco makes a call out to anyone not sick to come to us and help right and then auto suggest exploiting the mooring clamps, but they have to do it manually. But Cisco is too sick to do it. And then he gets hit with some word salad. And he says, you can cross barrels all job appalled. Bread. The arrive seen earlier.

Cole:

I did actually try to parse this one.

Lily:

Did you great. Yes.

Cole:

Tell me you're not alone. Yeah. I mean, all job appalled. Like, never in my career. As a Starfleet officer has something as wild as this happened to me. I'm appalled and bewildered. Yeah,

Lily:

I went further. Okay. bread on the table. Your family table. Your family? Who the head of which is a chef. Is this about gourmet chef? Sorry. Apologies. It's it's about his dad.

Cole:

Bread. The arrived scene.

Lily:

Oh, it's going back to you can cross barrels.

Cole:

No baby Benjamin. Yeah. Oh, okay. I think you cracked it. And then oh, those responses just Oh, I see.

Lily:

I see. I see. He is not reading into it like we're back to Kieran Samak. He threatens Kira with the rest of her life in cron tubal prison. And she's like, Fine, I'll go to prison. But first, we need your help. The virus is spreading through the station. And he claims he wasn't responsible. He was just an assistant. I'm not It's not my fault. It's not my section chef. But she says she's not looking to place any blame. I am not looking to place blame.

Cole:

Good enough.

Lily:

Thank you. Ah. And he doesn't have any antidote. And he sympathizes but can't help. But she's all How about helping us health while breathing on and says that he's infected.

Cole:

I thought this is actually really messed up. I mean, maybe curious should go to jail for infecting someone on purpose. She still didn't know if he had anything to do with it. Or if he could find an antidote. And she just infects this dude with a disease that's gonna make him die in 24 hours. Hey,

Lily:

she gives him a reason to try. Yeah, So she was a terrorist. What do we expect to have her?

Cole:

She could have just tried a little harder to ask for.

Lily:

A diplomat? Like not a diplomat? She might be the Federation's dance instructor.

Cole:

Not a diplomat. Great callback.

Lily:

Thank you. Yes, this guy could have done this in five minutes.

Cole:

Oh, yeah. No, for sure. He would have he would have taken out some bargaining chips. He would not have kidnapped someone and breathed on him.

Lily:

Yeah, it's really fucked up. And then we have another great scene with odo he calls for helping ups and Best Friends club shows.

Cole:

Best Friends club. See this is is the grand finale where cork after odo went to his rescue in their first scene, cork now gets to come to odos rescue. I got your back and declare his love in return.

Lily:

He does manage to haggle over the price though. Of course there's no will haggle later. This is important. And then he like says he's going to beam odo to fix the whatever's and that he worked on a freighter for eight years. And then as Oda gets into the transporter, he's like, Yeah, I witnessed this procedure 100 times and orders like who witnessed. So and then he's and then quarks, like energizing. And it's very funny.

Cole:

That little rascal. Yeah.

Lily:

Yeah. And quark is just stoked with that and how that happened. And then Kira comes back and she requests clearance and quiet corresponds and Kira hates it.

Cole:

I mean, I will say that cork running Ops is just some crappy Season One nonsense, it just it's a little cringe, to be honest.

Lily:

Also, it's a pandemic, and people did crazy things they didn't think they would do.

Cole:

It's all there. It's that prescient episode

Lily:

and then we've got like a whole bunch of very fast scenes in succession. So MK is on a station and he does some basic research. And Kira says if you need me use this string impact white lot show red intense, which is her I did exactly is last show red intense.

Unknown:

I totally got that there's

Lily:

no there's no unconscious there's no subtext. That is in

Cole:

the series Bible. Kieran ARIS is lot show read intense. Yeah,

Lily:

yep. And then odo is moving through some smoke and fire and he saves captain to heel. And Captain G Hill says dub fellow distance

Cole:

Yeah, that one give me nothing.

Lily:

Is this about to heal? Is this about odo? Who's the dog? Oh, it was the

Cole:

puppy dog. Yeah. And it's taking them a long time. He's come a long way. For him to be ready to be vulnerable and intimate with with his friends and his his lover in this episode. He's

Lily:

Captain J. Hill who is now like, an Auto Replies. Yeah. Tell me about it. So I got Oh, Rene just classic sitcom. And then Kwok says the ship will explode in one minute. So Mark is close to finding a cure. And says it again marvels at how brilliant deaqon was for creating this virus. Yeah. Yeah. And then he just finds the antidote. Socket beshear, this guy did it in like five seconds. And then clock says it's 40 seconds till ship explodes. Order does some adjustments and Kwok is genuinely scared for him. So for himself because I think it will blow up the station, but mostly, mostly for odo his beautiful dog. But then I pull it off and the ship falls away from the station and explodes elsewhere. Everybody is safe. And then he says kwacha, odo you still with us. And then there's a pause. Noda replies try not to sound too disappointed. Those

Cole:

two right for me it was like the end of an action movie when all the emergency vehicles are starting to swarm in but our our Two Lovers don't even hear them because they're just can only see each other and it's just become so clear,

Lily:

but there still has to be a bit of a wisecrack for sure. You can't have full schmaltzy schmaltz oh yes to be like a joke. Quite brings up like now about my pay. And odo does like this. He's just livid and he's shaking. But it really gives him a reason to live to haggle

Cole:

clock. So true. Yes, these two the match made in heaven. And

Lily:

then at Cisco station log, and things are returning to normal or whatever normal is now I guess. They're back in the command center. Annie says to her Brian, good to have you back chief. Any audits coffee black, but it's wrong.

Cole:

Oh, another yells at O'Brien.

Lily:

He fucked up. You almost died but you can't fix my coffee. He

Cole:

does that like hairball squawk again.

Lily:

Yeah, with the teeth out.

Cole:

I mean, what sitcom ending is this? It's like, oh, classic Cisco and O'Brien.

Lily:

Dennett didn't

Cole:

like it. It shows you just how thin this whole episode was when they just have to end it with a sitcom joke like oh

Lily:

O'Brien is he ever gonna get it right? Find out next week. So yeah, good thoughts Okay, okay, I was thinking the fashions in this episode was so terrible

Cole:

yeah nothing great.

Lily:

There's nothing worthy of fashion watch. agreed and we could write our favorite poem

Cole:

open you oh I am big Pentameter time

Lily:

yeah, what was it? Okay

Cole:

for me this is some strong contenders. I think the shears honeymoon dolphin sky drum and sky jam deserves some some recognition. Yeah, silver medal. But I'm the one that really has just lived with me ever since the episode and I just have been pondering ever since is from Jake Cisco, where he challenges us all as progressives. He says left become better control entire hope.

Lily:

Yeah. See, I'm putting it out there.

Cole:

What are you putting out there?

Lily:

I think he went to Dave on. It's JEGS is good.

Cole:

He grows up to become a writer. I mean, if anyone was actually spouting sense, but he's writing is terrible what you read his writing we'll get to later you don't know you don't know is writing excerpts of his writing.

Lily:

Do this.

Cole:

Against we know it's terrible.

Lily:

For Jakey look, I actually think rolling go when life is a role

Cole:

linger when life creeps on this petty pace from day to day.

Lily:

Out damned honeymoon dolphin.

Cole:

My long. Yeah, blame the dark. True. Yeah. Wavelink. I think this whole episode was a shout easy play.

Lily:

Yeah, it was. Look, I had fun. Sounds like you trudge through the mud on this one. But I actually had a great time.

Cole:

I think I had to allow myself to get probed by Freudian. pneus Yeah, and took a while for me to really ease into it. But speaking

Lily:

for myself, once I get past my penis envy. I can just really,

Cole:

so for everyone, let me know. Let me know when you're over it. Yeah. How are women babes? It's not your fault.

Lily:

So we covered Freud and peered

Cole:

inside each of our heads and the heads of all the Deep Space Nine carriers.

Lily:

Yeah, we looked at Jake's brain. And Cole said, amazing. I said, I thought

Cole:

he was our future. And you were impressed. But are you convinced that Star Trek writ large is the Tower of Babel? Do I

Lily:

think this episode did that? Oh, do I think this episode did much? Actually, I

Cole:

think this episode. All right. Hear me out. My thesis is that the universal translator is the most important technological advancements of the future. Yeah, because it allows everyone to come together and do amazing things and explore the stars. But then when the universal translator is broken, we cannot talk. That's when we're thrown into disarray, and we're left hearing bad haikus.

Lily:

I think he made beautiful haikus Well, depending on the read.

Cole:

Here's really the DAX is nonsense, right.

Lily:

I love Texas nonsense.

Cole:

Have we done it? Any any last thoughts?

Lily:

castration.

Cole:

Look, sometimes it is complex. Sometimes aphasia is just aphasia Yeah,

Lily:

maybe it's just a phase. Yeah

Cole:

it's just wind given us a page.

Lily:

The line Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's good. Good.

Cole:

Well, my Freudian mind is blown. I've accessed layers of my subconscious that I didn't even know were there Lily. So thank you for for challenging me to look below the surface of this episode and myself. Let's

Lily:

go on this dolphin honeymoon anytime. Maybe same time next week.

Cole:

I guess all I have to say is open way long. And good

Lily:

bye bye.

Cole:

Deep Space wine is hosted by Lily Rossen and myself Cole Paulson music by Cercle Nouvelle are worked by Danielle Vernelson, and special thanks to bloom and Izzy Rossen. Deep Space Nine's newest fan